News from PANUG/BizNix - September 25, 2003
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LABEL PRINTERS
by Ed Sawicki

If you ask my wife what her favorite non-game program
is, she'll probably tell you it's the one that makes
her Seiko label printer work. Seiko's software is
Windows-only and that has prevented me from moving her
off of her cutting-edge Windows for Workgroups PC
(486SX, 16MB memory, 200 MB hard disk) to Linux.

Now there's Linux support for label printers. The
CoStar, Avery, and Seiko printers are supported.
Support for the Seiko printer is limited. If you're
buying a label printer new for use with Linux, the
Avery is probably the better deal. 


LINUX VIRUSES
Dick Pilz, PANUG President, points out this Web page
that reveals the viruses being developed by the
Open Source community:

http://bbspot.com/News/2003/08/open_source_virus.html

The page is meant to be humor.


FEEDBACK

We received quite a bit of feedback in response to Ed
Sawicki's call for opinions in the matter of whether
Linux desktops that look similar to or different than
Windows should be demonstrated at the ITEC show. The
opinions are quite diverse.

Ken Barber:
 I think we should do both. I think people should be able
 to see how versatile X really is.

 I've always felt that it's a prescription for failure to
 try to emulate Micro$oft's user interfaces... but maybe
 I'm wrong. Look at how popular Evolution has become even
 though KMail is clearly superior to it. Ditto with the
 success of OpenOffice.

 So I think there must be SOME value in making some of the
 desktops look like 'Doze. But I'd hate to see the open
 source folks at the show enforcing a lack of diversity
 within their own ranks.


Paul Rogers:
 It all depends on whether it's more important to you to
 feel a self-satisfied smugness about "being right" or to
 provide services your users will actually feel comfortable
 using. Once you get it in the door, once you overcome your
 users' fear of the unknown, then you can expose them to
 the additional benefits.  

 But if you can't get them to use it, they lose, and YOU
 LOSE! Of course, you'll still know you were right and it's
 all those stupid lusers' fault. I'm afraid this is yet
 another manifestation of the traditional "Unix guru"
 attitude.

 Why is this even a question among people more mature than
 your typical twenty-something?

Dick Steffens:
 The desktop should present an appearance that assures the
 users that they can get their work done. Linux desktops can
 work like Windows desktops, just as they can work like Mac
 desktops. If memory serves correctly, they aren't all that
 different from the Apollo desktops I worked on back in the
 mid-1980's. (At Apollo R&D, we bought one of the Apple Lisa
 machines when they came out, just to see if they could do 
 what we were doing.)

 The bottom line is, can the users get their work done
 efficiently? If making demo desktops resemble Windows
 desktops is what it takes to convince management to try
 Linux, then so be it.

Carla Schroeder:
 Hee heee, my fave hot button. If it's just the same, why
 bother? That's like traveling to exotic foreign climes and
 staying at the Holiday Inn and eating at Burger King.

 I disagree with "Linux will never be as good a _Windows_
 desktop as Windows", unless "good" in this context means
 "sucky". Linux is not Windows. It's a gazillion percent better.

 What I have done with my customers is demo both easy Linux and
 power user Linux. Put up Lindows next to a Libranet box running
 KDE. I demonstrate all the amazing things you can do on a Linux
 desktop on the Libranet box - multiple desktops, console
 switching, running multiple X sessions for different users, EZ
 remote desktop with VNC, switch easily between command line and
 GUI, all the customizations for menus and look and feel... the one 
 thing that gets a lot of users excited is being to type the
 program name into an application launcher in the bottom panel,
 instead of wading through menus. And the multiple desktops is a
 big hit. And AMOR.

 Libranet is slick for these kinds of demos because you can change
 window managers/desktops on the fly, without restarting X.

 Even though Lindows represents the "easy" Linux, they get blown
 away when they find out you can do all that stuff on Lindows too.
 I'm looking at both Lindows and Ximian for business users, because
 of their excellent software installation and system updates. Red
 Carpet is great, no more RPM hell.

 IT persons new to the Unix way of doing things are impressed by
 the separation of kernel/system files/application files/user files.
 It's difficult for ordinary users to hose the entire system, which
 of course is the exact opposite of Windoze. Even when you lock
 your Winduhs users down, there is no way to prevent applications
 from screwing around with the Registry and core system files. It's
 nuts. It's absolutely insane that any random malware/spyware should
 have free access to the guts of the system.

 So fie I say on wussies who fear the power of Linux. It's the
 ultimate power tool, and can be adapted and configured for almost
 any kind of user. That's the message I like.

Raymond L. Robert:
 Whether a Linux desktop sort of looks like Windows or not
 misses the point. If you've been to McDonald's or Circuit
 City or an ATM or watched executives with their
 Blackberries or a self-checkout line at a supermarket you
 know that people readily accept different computer interfaces.  

 Nobody uses the tens of thousands of features Microsoft Word
 has. Just demonstrate a reasonably competent word processor
 that can compose letters and save them on a Windows or
 Windows-like (Samba) file server.

 The danger is presenting Linux as a complete replacement for
 Windows desktops. It's all about app's, and there just aren't
 enough sophisticated ones on Linux (yet).

John McKean:
 With regard to how the desktop looks you must ask, "What is
 the business reason for switching?" Since your message stated
 that, "Linux will never be as good a _Windows_ desktop as
 Windows so why try?" the business reason to switch is NOT the
 desktop. 

 Instead there are economical, moral, security and stability
 reasons. I think that giving the end-user an interface that
 closely mirrors what they are use to using is fundamental.
 Having worked first hand with end-users in many companies I
 know for a fact that people do not want to change,
 familiarity=good.

 As an example as we migrate our Windows 2000 users to XP we
 are configuring the desktop with the "classic" interface
 simply because change confuses folks. It is for that very same
 reason I would make the Linux desktop as close to what people
 are used to as possible and introduce changes slowly over time.

Marvin J. Kosmal:
 I think that Linux is Linux and Windows is Windows. Let Linux
 be itself.

Christian Bayer:
 I don't think ALL demo machines should look like Windows,
 just at least one.

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